KDE in nearly all public schools in brazil.
Today I was in a public school near where I live for a interview with Nazareth, the coordinator of a social-inclusion project for the less afortunate kids in brazil, that live in 2 poor-communities: Alto do Coqueirinho and Bairro da paz.
What do you plan to accomplish with your project?
The students here have many needs that their family cannot provide, there’s a lack of love, lack of knowledge and everything that is happening to them is weird, they don’t talk about it at home, and the school should provide some shelter.
But what has linux to do with this kind of thing?
I Feel in love with linux the first time I heard about it. all kids that live near hear doesn’t have the money to buy computers, and nowdays it’s really important to be part of the digital-inclusion for jobs and such. they usually uses the computer for playing, but some are already trying to make their homework using it. The government send us those machines, they had linux pre-installed, we have 20 machines here. it’s a small lab, but each windows copy is almost half of what a teaher gets per month, so it’s a lot for us. with linux, we are free to install and teach.
What about the Teachers, how is getting used to linux fells to them?
They hated at first. they are teachers that doesn’t like to learn new things, they don’t take advantage of the teaching tools ( and, to be fair, they don’t take advantage of the natural curiosity of the kids neither ). so it’s being rougth, we have asked some people from the government to came here and give a crash course for the teachers, but that wasn’t enougth. dealing with teachers that don’t wanna learn is hard.
How many students are going to use those desktops?
about a hundred.
And are all other public schools using desktops with linux?
Yes. it’s a big program. nearly all public schools got a lab with 20 computers and this linux preinstalled.
Can I take a look at the machines?
sure.
about the machines: to be fair, this was not so nice… the machines are a modification of Debian linux, named Educacional Linux ( linux for education), running 2.6.18 kernel and KDE 3.5.5, the /etc/apt/sources.lst was empty, and the aptitude and apt commands removed. I don’t know why the government did that, since the hability to upgarde is good in any system. But it’s really great to see that the government is doing what they promissed: digital inclusion in every school.
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It would be very nice if the government had a means for people of the communities (FOSS, Debian, KDE, etc) to help with the development, testing, deployment, administration, etc of these systems. I’m sure that people would gladly offer help – especially the LUGS or the local Debian User Groups.
Anyway, that’s a fantastic start! Brazil seems to be leading the free software adoption and technology autonomy around here in South America!
These are the little (maybe not *that* little) things that make me proud to be brazilian and assure me that I have made the right political decision, with all the problems that still exist.
Thats great, really great! And I really would like to believe that it gonna work, that the money saved by not buying windows and others proprietary licenses do not end in a bank account of some corrupt politician, that the machines won´t be formated and have (pirate) windows installed after a month or two, because no one knows how to use it, or don´t wanna learn how, or there´s no one who can give some assistance to the machines, and such things.
Being a brazilian, and after I´d studied in public schools my whole life, Its hard to believe that it´ll work. I hope that I´m wrong, and this have a happy end, but I´m not so optimist anymore.
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Just to complement, Tomaz apparently saw the older version of Linux Educacional, version 2. The project has an yearly update cycle, and the new version was just released, based on Kubuntu LTS:
http://www.webeduc.mec.gov.br/linuxeducacional/index.php
I do not think the distribution is bad, at all. There are of course difficult decisions, like the update cycle, which is apparently set to an yearly schedule right now. The logistics of the project are huge: most schools in rural areas simply do not have the bandwidth to do complete remote updates, for example. I believe this explains some of the decisions regarding the default configuration. I also believe people should try to get more information “from the source” regarding some technical decision before jumping to conclusions. As an example, I know that the new version comes with 20GB of content available in a debian repository, at : deb http://repositorio.mec.gov.br mec 3.0. I am not sure how this is enabled and for which schools, but update capabilities seem to be there for those who can use it.
Development seems to be ongoing, and the new version contains the latest KDE 3.5.x series, and new programs developed for the distro. Maybe it is time to have another look at it, and post a new entry on my blog about it. The original one from last year can be found at:
http://piacentini.livejournal.com/7871.html
Keep up the good work, guys and girls1
Doesn’t anyone know marketing? Doesn’t anyone understand human psychology? You just don’t replace one thing with another and then go away. You have to /introduce/ it to people. This is because “people” already have a bunch of ideas connected to a new thing and it is your job to address those ideas. For example:
Can students write & save texts on this thing? Does it have X functionality that teacher Y wants? If not, is there something better or OK that the teacher can use?
etc, etc..
For those teachers that are completely locked, they should be ashamed of themselves because they are not only holding back themselves, but also the students with their negative attitude.
In closing: Perhaps the new kde 4.3 is going to sell itself on pure beauty but i don’t think the old one can do it.
@Mauricio, I didn’t sayd that the distro was bad, I said that it was a shock to see a ‘installed-this-year’ distro shipping kde 3.5.5, but as you noted, it was a old version, version 1 to be exact. I just got in contact with Nazareth ( friend of mine mine, pedagogist of that school ) telling her that there’s a newer version, and I will gladly install for them, and do all the training required for free.
[...] KDE in nearly all public schools in brazil. Today I was in a public school near where I live for a interview with Nazareth, the coordinator of a social-inclusion project for the less afortunate kids in brazil, that live in 2 poor-communities: Alto do Coqueirinho and Bairro da paz. [...]
This is so cool! I’d love to see more posts about this cool program!
@Tomaz: I see, version 1 was indeed very basic compared with what they have now. It is interesting to notice that it is not only an issue with Linux Educacional: it is amazing to see the difference between any distro released 2-3 years ago and the latest code we are running! The pace of development for desktop Linux, KDE and the edu apps is mind-blowing, and we forget how things used to look just a dozen of months ago!
Very cool! I hope the whole world starts to use FLOSS, and then maybe one day the US will wake up also…
But you do know that the file
/etc/apt/sources.lst
doesn’t exist, right? It should be
/etc/apt/sources.list
And without root privileges you won’t be able to use apt anyway. So perhaps the systems aren’t as locked down as you thought?
Brazil’s deployment of Gnu-Linux and KDE is still very underreported in the english/american open source media.
I think its one of our greatest projects but we live in an anglocentric world where Mandriva gets shunted because its ‘french’ (!).
Go Brazil.
Are you talking about this initiative?
http://www2.userful.com/company/linux-desktop-virtualization
So, if I understand correctly this will mean around 35,000 installations of KDE, which will provide 10 virtual desktops per installation?
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